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July 3rd, 2009 · Comments · Street Self Defense

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Many people consider fighting and self defense to be the same thing but they are actually two totally different concepts. From a legal stand point, it is dangerous to consider fighting and self defense to be merely two sides to the same coin. If you are caught fighting and it can be proved you are fighting (we’ll get to that in a minute) then your argument of self defense will not stand up in court. In fact you will be viewed as an aggressor in the eyes of the law, even if you didn’t start the altercation you were involved in.

So lets take a look at the two terms fighting and self defense and see what the differences are between them.

Self Defense

Here is a legal definition of self defense from the ‘Lectric Law Library:

Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

The Right To Protect One’s Person And Property From Injury.

So in the eyes of the law you must only be reacting to someone trying to harm you in order for you to plead self defense. This means you cannot willingly enter into a confrontation for whatever reason and still expect to plead self defense. The law will still view you as an aggressor in that case and you will be judged guilty of fighting.

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Fighting

Here is a dictionary definition of fighting:

To attempt to harm or gain power over an adversary by blows or with weapons.

To contend with physically or in battle.

To wage or carry on (a battle).

These definitions clearly show that fighting involves the willing participation of both parties. In terms of a confrontation true self defense would involve running away from the confrontation instead of willingly entering into it. As I stated in a previous article, this is the problem with people who are trained in martial arts. Many martial artists will refuse to run or avoid a confrontation because pride and a need to prove themselves won’t let them. They therefore end up fighting instead of defending themselves.

When the law gets involved and they realise you didn’t do anything to back away from the confrontation they will assume you had motivation to stay and therefore motivation to escalate the situation. As far as the law is concerned, these are not the actions of a reasonable person interested in defending themselves, these are in fact the actions of someone who has reason and motivation to stay and engage in conflict.

Many people consider fighting and self defense to be the same thing but they are actually two totally different concepts.

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How to Avoid Fighting

The simplest way to avoid fighting is to simply turn tail and run when someone makes an aggressive move on you, something that will not sit well with many of you reading this, I’m sure. You may be thinking, what’s the point in all those years of training if you are just going to run away when something actually does happen?

That’s your pride talking there, not your common sense. Is it really worth taking the risk of being arrested and jailed just so you can feel better about yourself in the short term? If you have those insecurities about yourself, if you constantly feel the need to prove yourself, doing so one time will not alleviate them. Your insecurities will return soon after to plague you once more. No amount of fighting will rid you of them. Those are things which must be worked through in your own head until you find a way to make peace with yourself. Try taking your ego out of the equation. It is your ego that makes you feel like that and as such your insecurities about your ability to handle yourself are irrational and even stupid. Stupid because allowing them to dictate your behaviour can get you in trouble.

So what if you can’t run from the scene, what then? How to you deal with someone being violent towards you without crossing the line into a fully fledged fight and actually becoming the aggressor yourself?

Firstly you have to rid yourself of any notions of winning or loosing. If you’re trying to win over your opponent then you are fighting, because only fights have winners and losers. What you must do then is just enough to subdue your opponent and no more. This means not kicking him while he is down or breaking his limbs because he threw a punch at you. It also means you cannot goad him into fighting with you by calling him names or putting him down verbally. Even if you are backing away from an aggressor but you are hurling abusive and provocative language at him, this is still seen as fighting, not self defense.

The Realities of Street Self Defense

All of the above information is based around the requirements of the law and we all know how irrational and unforgiving the law can be. It is okay saying that when it comes to defending yourself you have to do this or you can’t do that otherwise you’ll get arrested and charged with assault. In the heat of the moment things happen that are often out of your control and you will find it is extremely difficult to consider everything that you’re supposed to consider in these situations.

I think the best thing you can do to help yourself in this regard is to try and avoid street confrontations in the first place. This not only means using prevention tactics but also backing away from aggressors when they do try to provoke you. Do this and you are out of harms way in all respects.

If you are left with no choice but to defend yourself using your training then things get a bit trickier. If it kicks of you are in the hands of fate and chance because anything can happen and everything has been known to happen in these situations. All you can really do then is stop yourself from getting hurt by whatever means necessary but still try and stay in control enough that you don’t go over board and cross the line into being the aggressor. Just remember that the police often view the “winner” of these confrontations to be the aggressor and therefore the one most liable in the eyes of the law.

Personally, if someone attacks me then I will do what I have to do to subdue the attack. I’ll go as hard as I have to protect myself and whoever might be with me. If that means crossing the line a little, perhaps putting in a few more strikes to make sure my attacker stays down (you don’t want then getting up and attacking you all over again) then so be it. Afterwards I won’t hang around to wait for the police unless they are already on the scene. Why would I want further hassle?

You take your chances in life, don’t you? Self defense is no different. Avoid violence at all costs but don’t be afraid to engage with it when it leaves you no choice.

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  • Jesse
    hi i have a related martial arts blog im writing and want to exchange links. would you be interested? my email is swinuyasha@gmail.com let me know asap
  • an important distinction and well made! I particularly like the inclusion of the fence concept discussed in the comments here.
  • Yes, the fence is an important, if undervalued, technique in self defense. I will post about it soon as I think it deserves attention.
  • yes its nice to know some martial arts to defend and protect yourself. I was trained before with taekwondo before during my university but i never survive due to health problem i got sick. It was a wrong timing though since am busy with my last year. But i personally would love to be trained again.

    keep going!
  • It's never too late to start training again. Even if you do have health problems there are martial arts out there that will still allow you to train with out getting too physical about it- Tai Chi for instance is quite good and still an effective martial art when used properly. Thanks for the kind words!
  • Zara
    Hi Urban,

    Thanks for the compliment. I do know a thing or two about the martial-arts (practiced it for about 11 years: 4 years in judo and about 7 in ju-jutsu), I’m by no means an expert but it’s one of my passions and I try to train and learn as much as I can. Our style is modern ju-jutsu, I’ve trained under two sensei up till now (a shihan who founded his own style and his top student who’s currently a second Dan in JJ and an intermediate practioner in kali and JKD). Under soke there was a lot of influence from judo (groundwork mostly, he is a second Dan in kodokan-judo) and karate (the striking part obviously), under our current sensei there’s a lot of influence and technique-overflow from the arts he studies. To me this came as quite a revelation since both arts are quite boxing-orientated (JKD and panantukan or the unarmed section of kali/escrima can be considered highly effective, no-nonsense street-kickboxing systems) and this has improved the striking aspect of our art tremendously as well as the defenses against kicks and strikes. I don’t want to generalize but a lot of karate-styles have very deep stances and keep their guard relatively low, in my mind this is quite dangerous when you’re up against a fast kicker or boxer. We did retain certain techniques and the open hand strikes of course. The weapon-defenses are a mixture of ju-jutsu elements and techniques from kali, after all it’s always better to learn weapon-defenses from an art that regularly practices with them.

    The philosophy behind the style is a) street self-defense (we do not train for competition nor for spiritual goals or fitness although we do different types of sparring, sweat quite a bit and we do try to represent the art and the mindset behind it properly), b) effectiveness (if a technique does not work it’s out, there are no sacred cows and if we find a better way to deal with a problem we’ll take it), c) hard work (we take what we do seriously, we try to perfect our techniques and train as realistically as possible without hurting each other) and d) having fun. This last part is quite important: the general atmosphere in our dojo is quite relaxed, there isn’t much formalism and we try to encourage our students to work together so they’ll both benefit from the experience (even a black belt can benefit from working with a beginner and vice versa of course). It’s quite simple really: if you do not make training exciting, fun, varied and challenging people will quit sooner or later and you’ll end up with just a few students or none at all. As my sensei puts it: train hard, train smart and have fun in the martial-art.

    As to your question: I do not own a blog and while I’m flattered by your compliment and other positive comments I’ve received I’m not planning on starting one. For one I do not think I’m knowledgeable and experienced enough: I’m still only a brown belt (training for black-belt though) and while I do think my skills are quite effective (still need work of course, especially in the area’s of ground-fighting and kickboxing) I’m sure there are others far more qualified than me to write on the topics of self-defense and the MA. For the moment I’m quite content to read or view the works of others (blog-posts, books, articles, youtube, DVD’s) and comment on them once in a while, that’s if I actually know anything about it and thus am in a position to contribute to the discussion. Also I’m not a trainer myself: in our club I am sempai and had the opportunity and the privilege of teaching a few times already (filling in for sensei) but naturally this is nothing compared to carrying the responsibility of having to teach yourself each and every week, making curricula, planning lessons and all the other administrative stuff that goes along with owning your own club. While I consider myself an experienced and capable practioner of JJ and am building my skills in other area’s (on occasion I train in BJJ and various types of kickboxing, when I have more time I hope to be able to take regular classes in JKD and kali) I simply do not have the experience and depth of knowledge a genuine sensei or master has and this is, in my view at least, a prerequisite for high quality discussion and guiding others along the way. Naturally I hope to get there some day but that won’t be for years and at the moment it’s not really a concern for me: I just want to train and learn as much as I can and have fun with it.

    The last reason is quite mundane really: at the moment I simply do not have the time for it and it would seem rather foolish to start something you know you can’t finish. I do like discussing MA-topics though (especially those pertaining to self-defense): it’s always fun to talk about what you love and come into contact with others who share your passion. Besides that you’ll learn a thing or two, that’s if you keep an open mind, and that in itself is worth the effort. At least this way I don’t have to bother my friends anymore: I can imagine it must be quite boring hearing about stuff you don’t give a rat’s ass about and they don’t have anything intelligent to say on the topic anyway (lol).

    I’ve read parts of your blog and it seems quite interesting. I’ll visit from time to time and maybe drop you a line or two when I feel I can make a positive contribution to the discussion.

    Regards,
    .
    Zara

    PS: I did mistype the address (forgot one letter), I was in a hurry back then. I corrected it so you can email me if you want to. Don’t expect a reply instantly though since it is only my secondary address (meaning not much used) and I’m quite busy at times.

  • Hey Zara. Your club and general style sound remarkably similar to mine. Our style is Ju Jitsu with a lot of Kempo striking techniques thrown in. We also train occasionally in BJJ and kickboxing (we have done quite a few competitions between us). We also train for street self defense and tend to discard anything that isn't practical in that respect. We train hard but like to have fun at the same time. The atmosphere is very relaxed.

    As for blogging, I wouldn't consider myself an expert by any means. I still have a lot to learn when it comes to martial arts. What I try to do here is translate the experience and knowledge I do have on to the page and hope someone out there finds it useful. Doing so is also a good way to learn and broaden your experience as well. Writing about MA's helps to increase and clarify your understanding of it, I think. You also get to join the online MA community and learn from the people within that too.

    I don't expect everyone to like what I write but I try to be true to what I'm saying and the martial arts in general and only write about stuff that I have experience of or have gleaned from the experience of others. I love the martial arts and blogging about them is just another way for me to pursue my passion and have intelligent discussions with people like yourself who are actually interested as well. I have only been blogging for four months, I'm still a newbie in a lot of respects but I hope my articles will get better and more useful over time. I'm getting quite a bit of traffic for having only just started so some people must appreciate what I'm doing here.

    Anyway, thanks for dropping by and I hope you drop by again soon. Good luck with your training.
  • Zara
    Perhaps I’ll go into this a bit more later on but for now I’d say it’s always a good idea (that is if there are bystanders) when there’s trouble to step back into a fighting stance instead of stepping forward (this signals aggression) and to use open hands to form a guard instead of clenched fists (again aggression, you’re basically inviting him to trade blows). Another tactic is to repeatedly state you do not want to fight and you want to be left alone. If he then attacks and you defend bystanders will testify for you and you won’t be convicted. That is when you don’t tear his head off of course. Another thing my sensei recommends is to let him hit first a couple of times while you retreat, using your guard to defend and then retaliate with fists or feet. This is purely defensive and makes it look like you were in trouble which will gain you sympathy with bystanders and judges. That being said it helps never to get in trouble and keeping your record clean, judges will always believe an upstanding citizen over a routined thug or street-brawler. Keeping relatively sober is also a good way to convince people of your good intentions: if you can clearly state what happened and remain calm (so not seething with rage or stinking of adrenaline and/or booze) you’ll have a much better chance of convincing the cops you weren’t the aggressor. Of course any intelligent, sober person would rather not get into fights and if you must (because of ego-problems as you stated) enter tournaments but even then it’s not a good idea to let anger or fear get the best of you since you’ll most likely lose.

    One last remark though: if you feel like you’re really in trouble (risking severe injury or death) then forgot about being defensive. Go all out and inflict as much damage as you can. If I see a knife in someone’s hands I’ll first try to run or try to reason with him, if that fails I’ll go for his eyes and knees. He will go down, even if I have to stab him with his own knife or gouge out his eyes: survival is what matters in those situations and being a warrior means being able to kill when it’s necessary but only when it’s absolutely necessary. Otherwise you’re nothing but a murderer.
  • Hey Zara. The first tactic you are talking about is called The Fence, a concept created by world renowned self defense expert Geoff Thompson. It involves, as you said, stepping back into a non-aggressive fighting stance and controlling the distance between you and your aggressor, keeping the hands up in a non-threatening manner and in place if you need to react to an attack quickly. It really works and is one the best techniques there is for self defense situations.

    I agree that if your life is in danger, seriously in danger, then you should go all out to put down your attacker. Law or no law, why take the risk of loosing your life. It's simply kill or be killed in such situations.
  • Hey Zara,

    I tried to email this to you but the message kept failing so I'll just post it here (perhaps you mistyped your address).
    Thanks for taking the time to leave your well thought out comments on my blog. They are much appreciated. You appear quite knowledgeable when it comes to martial arts (I read your comments on John Zimmer's My Self Defense Blog as well). Do you write on the subject, or have a blog or anything? If you don't you should start. Your talent is evident from the two comments I read. There's always room for one more!

    Anyway, thanks again, and if you haven't already done so you can subscribe to Urban Samurai for free future updates. Hope to hear from you again soon!
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