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Hardcore Training Vs Commercializm

May 29th, 2009 · Comments · Martial Musings

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I have been practicing traditional martial arts training in the same dojo now for over twenty-five years. The training hall itself has existed for many more years before that. When I first began training there it was quite run down; it was just a fair sized hall with wooden floor and a couple of changing rooms, that’s it. No heating existed, so the place was freezing in the winter. There were also no mats on the floor. The only mats we had back then were a couple of moldy green gym mats. Aside from bags and sparring equipment, that was the extent of our dojo. No one complained though. It was a place to train and that was all that mattered.

The club was pretty thriving back then. We had quite a lot of members; most of them dedicated martial artists who didn’t seem to mind the run down state of the training hall. It was all about the training after all. If anything, the state of the place added to the traditional feel of the training and a lack of comfort was part of that.

These days we have completely overhauled the place, adding mats to the floor, weight training equipment and a fully functional heating system for those cold winter nights. The only problem now is, we have fewer members than we once did. It now seems that despite the new and improved facilities, very few people want to know about traditional martial arts anymore.

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To further illustrate this, there is another club who share the dojo with us. This club trains in MMA and there membership is pretty thriving. I have no doubt that this is due to the more commercial nature of MMA training in general.

My club teaches Kempo Ju Jitsu, a form of traditional Ju Jitsu that uses a lot of striking techniques to back up the locks and throws. Our training is based on traditional values and we don’t train for competition unless one of us wants to do so on the side (we occasionally enter kickboxing and sport Ju Jitsu competitions).

What we have found over the years with new members is that very few of them last any longer than a couple of months. They just stop showing up for training. Now I know this is the case for most clubs no matter what the style, but I believe traditional dojo’s have a harder time keeping students than non traditional ones, simply because the general nature of the training isn’t as immediate or appealing to people as say, MMA training is or kickboxing or judo.

Traditional training is hardcore training in the sense that you really have to be self motivated to keep at it. It takes a long time just learn the basic techniques and learning those basic techniques, repeating them over and over again, can be very boring for some people, but this is what you have to do if you want to learn a martial art. It takes dedication.

MMA and kickboxing etc. have what I call the glory factor to keep people interested. When people join these clubs they have the option of fighting in competitions and making a name for themselves. This appeals to people’s ego and can be reason enough to keep them training. MMA especially has this going for it. Cage fighting is splashed all over the media these days and is portrayed as being quite glamorous and enticing to people who get a kick out of fighting in front of crowd.

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My point here is that commercial fighting systems will always appeal more to the general public than the more traditional arts. But does this mean that traditional dojo’s should take this into account and start commercializing themselves just to get more members? Should traditional dojo’s introduce the glory factor into their training?

Absolutely not, in my opinion. To compromise the art for the sake of getting a few new members is not an option to any self-respecting dojo. Should my club be reduced to only one or two members, I still would not go down that road. Why should you have to bow to commercial pressure? To do so would go against all the values that set your training apart from systems like MMA.

It is obviously up to the individual what type of training they wish to do at the end of the day. If someone wishes to train in MMA because they think they have a chance at glory then they should go right ahead and do so. But if someone joins a traditional martial arts club and leaves because they can’t hack the training or can’t see the deeper benefits to such training then why should that club change to fit the needs of shallow individuals? It shouldn’t obviously.

Traditional martial arts training and systems have remained unchanged for a reason. To start compromising the training methods to accommodate people who don’t understand them is to compromise the integrity of the whole system and after thousands of years this would be unforgivable in my view.

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  • Setius
    That is unfair in my opinion, yes to bring MMA into your class full time is wrong. But to dabble in different things isn't. Like my school Teaches our main art, but also we have guest instructors teach other systems be them MMA or otherwise. I enjoy the experience and find it helps keep me fresh for my art. I would say starting a system incorporating MMA with a traditional standpoint that would have students learn progressively would be a great idea, it would just take one person to do so.
  • Hi Setius. I have no problem with bringing other things into a class. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. Like your club, my club has regular guest instructors from different backgrounds and we try to make the training as well rounded as possible. I do know of some clubs however, that have completely switched from traditional to MMA, mainly for the money, and I have a problem with that.

    I also think that classes should be varied, just as long as 100% goes into the training, that's what really matters. The longer I train the more I am gathering a core set of techniques, principles and strategies that will serve as a basis for a practical martial arts system. That's what I'm aiming for,practicality and well roundedness, incorporating good mental and spiritual elements as well.
  • Nick
    Unfortunately I know what you are talking about. When I started training at this school it was Tae Kwon Do, we did some forms, sparring ,plenty of work on technique and at the begining and end of each class we would say a creed (I still remember it). After about a year after I started we stopped doing forms, I didn't like doing them so I didn't complain. And for about 4 years we did lots of sparring, combo's, board breaking and of course the creed. I stopped saying the creed when I was let into the adult class, it was just the way it was juniors said the creed, adults didn't. Then about 2 years ago the school switched hands. Not too much changed, except less board breaking, and for black belts (me) forms, this time I didn't mind doing the forms, I kinda enjoyed it. However; slowly but surely less and less people showed up to classes. The new owners introduced Krav Maga, and Crosfit, didn't really affect much. Classes that once had 15+ people had about half that. About a year ago a new instructor started teaching us. He's a great guy, and I like him, but he started to show us more kickboxing/boxing stuff. No one really seamed to mind, I know I didn't, it's the kind of stuff UFC fighters do. Now classes average about 4 people, always the same people.

    Today my instructor asked me if I would be interested in doing Krav Maga because he said that the "traditional" martial arts class they had wasn't going to last much longer. That the school was going to become a Krav Maga and Crosfit place. Probably because it was no longer cost effective to run that "traditional" class for the people that were taking, too few people, too much costs.

    Nine years I've been training there, doing the "traditional" martial arts classes. I seen that place change for close to a decade now. Now they want to cut the class that made me fall in love with martial arts. The class that undoubtedly shaped who I am today. The way things are going, it looks like it won't be doing the same for much longer.
  • Hey Nick. Unfortunately I'm hearing and reading about this kind of story more and more these days. It would seem that traditional martial arts classes just aren't enough for people these days, essentially because people don't get the real benefits to be gained from traditional martial arts training. Even the trail blazers who have gone into the reality based systems spent many years doing traditional martial arts and everyone of them will tell you that traditional training is essential to the proper development of any martial artist no matter what the style. The fact is, in this instant culture we live in, no one wants to dedicate that kind of time or effort anymore. They want instant results without the hard training. They want to do a few months training and then climb into the ring with someone else who has only bee training for the same amount of time. At the end of the day they will gain nothing from that except a quick ego boost.

    I believe martial arts have to evolve with the times but I also believe that the fundamental values on which they are based must remain the same. There is no place for shallowness in the martial arts, in my opinion. People need to take their eyes of the TV for more than two minutes and start introducing some depth into their lives.

    Commercial issues aside, I believe the traditional martial arts will continue to avail despite the odds being stacked against them. They do need to evolve a little though and take into account the times in which we live. The martial arts have faced this kind of crisis before in the 70's and the 80's as well. They came through then and I've no doubt they will do so again.

    Thanks for your comments.
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